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How should we understand the description of man's physical body when we compare with what is said in the lectures on Genesis, where we learn that man did not get any physicality (fire-air) before the 6th day, which can be approximately mapped to the separation of the moon ?

Should we think that Man was a psychic entity but nonetheless connected to the material processes of the Earth — the key concept being that of "ensoulment" or "absence of ensoulment" ?

What to think about the 3rd day, when most human beings were evolving on other planets : were they still "breathing" with the Earth ?


First of all thank you for reaching out with this question, this is really a very nice question. It is important and I find certain questions beautiful, so as with every question, my intention is to use this as an opportunity to further the materials on the FMC wiki site.

To this purpose I have already added some elements from my refererence files, such as:


Now to your question: You ask several questions, and so I'd like to refine with you .. starting with: what do you refer to when you write 'Man', and 'ensoulment'?

Man or the human being is quite different, as a term to use, before and after the middle of the Lemurian epoch, as there were two developmental streams: the 'lower' (with the 'construction' of the lower bodies from the four elements on Earth), and the 'higher' (the spiritual, part of group souls astrally, with Man's higher triad). And not only the fusion process in the middle of the Lemurian epoch is complex, but also how the different elements developed separately. Rudolf Steiner describes the different parts, but does not bring these together very explicitly. Though he does of course describe it in general, he does expect us to bring the pieces of the puzzle together imaginately ourselves.

Am I right in reading your question as being about this cohesion of how all the pieces fit together?

Hence, this is why I asked what you mean exactly with ensoulment, because it related to this fusion in the astral. There are various references on the site to this, see eg Lemurian epoch#1906-11-26-GA283.

However given the complexity of the matter, my proposal is we explore this further interactively to allow us to home in to the essence of your question.

Otherwise the danger is we have too broad a topic, with many angles of perspective to it (and I'm going down the wrong track in my response) eg:

  • the evolving 'make up' of the lower Man, and its consciousness (re eg 1908-05-25-GA103 and FMC00.574, etc).
  • the evolution of the higher Man, starting with the scaffolds of Man's higher triad (so starting with Schema FMC00.482, but then also on the Earth stage Schema FMC00.573, etc)
  • the linkeage, like the group souls of humanity (starting with the Old Moon picture Schema FMC00.181, but then relating that to the granular group souls on Earth (Jehovah) .. there are some references linked into the tentative description [[Development of the I#[1] - Narrative to the Development of the Human I]])
  • then specifically also the Book of Genesis itself, as you refer to that in your message (for this I uploaded the Hagemann extract above as a starter or basis)

Thus hereby acknowledging and welcoming the question, and happy to go into it.

Question on ahrimanic double

Will we "bequeath" our physical body to our ahrimanic double when we ascend (during the 7th Post-Atlantean Cultural Age)?

Are the "Jupiter Humans" the same beings as our ahrimanic double?


salamanders

https://anthroposophy.eu/I-less_human_beings#1908-05-16-GA102


double

https://anthroposophy.eu/The_double#Daskalos


The doppelgangers are part of us, we have to integrate them back into our system. They are "strangulations" in the astral and sometimes perhaps also the etheric, but they are part of us. I doubt that they can become independent. (But I'm happy to be convinced otherwise.)


For this particular question .. there is the question if the double is part of the higher triad or the lower bodies, it should be the higher of course, so it's a question about individuation; does the connection between the spiritualized human being of the future and the lower physical bodies remain, like it was on Old Moon (Schema FMC00.182 group souls of humanity connected to the lower physical entities, but now individualized) .. Steiner mentions 'hovering over', being able to enter and go out, as initiates can already do today ..


If that is so .. then the question this person is asking is really the distinction between the ahrimanic influences in Man today, and those entities who will rise to human stage on Future Jupiter - see Schema FMC00.343A.


Question on money

I have been looking for suggestion from Steiner about economic actions and ideas.

I know Steiner gave rise to associative economics and this has been taken up by Christopher Houghton Budd whose books I have read (not all of them), I also am familiar with Gaudenz Assenza who has written an excellent book about associative economics.

What is money ..from the Anthroposophical point of view...but the resources must stay faithful to what Steiner indicates/ explains.