Topic on Talk:Christ Module 2 - Nature of the Christ being

Thread from direct communication after question of facebook forum Feb-2022

Some (e.g. the gnostics) believed that Christ had endowed Jesus (Zarathustra) sufficiently that he left him on the cross ("why hast thou forsaken me"). Rudolf Steiner suggests that Christ had to go through the full death experience for the whole hierarchy.

In either case, the question of what happens to the phantom body from Old Saturn remains unanswered - to whom does it belong?

Zarathustra (Master Jesus), Christ, or even Adam Kadmon?

I do not know the answer to this from anthroposophy - perhaps you do? I suspect that it belongs to Zarathustra but is shared with the Christ, just as Christ shared "the body" of an angel from Ascension to the Second Crucifixion in the 19th-20th centuries. In this way, each of us can share our phantom and our other members with the Christ.

Your thoughts?

Thank you for this question, here's my five pence .. I would say:

Why do you want the phantom body to belong to anybody? as the lower bodies get purified by the threefold soul, the higher triad develops and so if we're talking about budhi and atma, or life-spirit and spirit-man, then these two are no longer personal at all. This is higher spirit world beyond the separations of time and space, the life-spirit is like a group soul. (see eg Rawn Clark's 'greater self'). Atma belongs to a monad on the nirvana plane, and this imho is the Logos connection. This view has Christ having budhi around the earth (for the whole humanity), and atma on the sun.

Hope this makes a bit of sense.