Topic on Talk:Christ Module 2 - Nature of the Christ being

Thread from direct communication after question of facebook forum Feb-2022

Some (e.g. the gnostics) believed that Christ had endowed Jesus (Zarathustra) sufficiently that he left him on the cross ("why hast thou forsaken me"). Rudolf Steiner suggests that Christ had to go through the full death experience for the whole hierarchy.

In either case, the question of what happens to the phantom body from Old Saturn remains unanswered - to whom does it belong?

Zarathustra (Master Jesus), Christ, or even Adam Kadmon?

I do not know the answer to this from anthroposophy - perhaps you do? I suspect that it belongs to Zarathustra but is shared with the Christ, just as Christ shared "the body" of an angel from Ascension to the Second Crucifixion in the 19th-20th centuries. In this way, each of us can share our phantom and our other members with the Christ.

Your thoughts?

Thank you for this question, here's my five pence .. I would say:

Why do you want the phantom body to belong to anybody? as the lower bodies get purified by the threefold soul, the higher triad develops and so if we're talking about budhi and atma, or life-spirit and spirit-man, then these two are no longer personal. This is higher spirit world beyond the separations of time and space, the life-spirit is like a group soul and with spirit-man or atma part of the Monad (see also Rawn Clark's experiential descriptions of the 'greater self').

The Cleansed phantom of the Individuality of Master Jesus (Zarathustra) was purified by the Christ during the three years. It became the anchor point for all future human spirits, the future group soul, see Second Adam. The Masters of the White Lodge are part of this, but also beings at other levels of the hierarchies like archangel Michael share this principle .. that forms the core nucleus of a growing collection of cells as more human spirits will join.

For background .. the physical body needed to be purified because it deteriorated due to the luciferic infection and all that followed in the stream of heredity, see Schema FMC00.337 on/and Model for hereditary physical body.

This is an excellent question. When we follow Christ through our own ascension (this begins about the year 4500 and lasts up till the Second Fall (just before the return of the moon). At this time, we shall be working on Spirit Self (Manas) and a LONG way from Atman. We must take our OWN phantom with us when we ascend for at some time in the far future, this becomes the basis for our work on Atman (Spirit Man).