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Central in the study of the Christ is a focus on the Mystery of Golgotha and the Resurrection, placed in context of the gospels. Here we look at lesser-studied aspects of:

Ascension,
Pentecost and the entry into the sphere of the Earth
Christ becoming the spirit of the Earth
after his death and resurrection, Christ-Jesus stayed on the earth and thought his apostles (see lecture references below)

Illustrations

Schema FMC00.083 presents the earthly phases of the Christ being mapping with the life of a human being:

Lecture coverage and references

The resurrected Christ-Jesus after MoG

G.R.S. Mead 'Pistis Sophia, A Gnostic Gospel' (1896)

On the first sentence, the note to the lecture says Rudolf Steiner assumed his audience was familiar with the work of theosophist G.R.S. Mead 'Pistis Sophia, A Gnostic Gospel' (1896), which begins with the words:

It came to pass, when Jesus had risen from the dead, that he passed eleven years speaking with his disciples ...

For more info on Pistis Sophia, see the discussion area of Sources of Spiritual Science

1904-06-10-GA093

First the remarkable explicit quote (longer extract on the topic page of Rakshasas.)

You know that Jesus Christ remained on the earth for ten years after His death. The Pistis Sophia contains the profoundest theosophical teachings, it is much more profound than Sinnett's Esoteric Buddhism. Jesus incarnated again and again. His task was to renew the mystery wisdom. This is no mere fact of cultural or historical interest, but it is the fact I have described to you, which is well known to all occultists, namely, the struggle against the Rakshasas. You see there is a deep and important occult secret lying hidden therein.

1904-11-01-GA090A

(p394 in first DE edition)

states that Christ-Jesus still taught after the resurrection, teachings that are included in the Book of Revelation

1916-01-02-GA165

contains the prayer given by Christ to his apostles after his death and resurrection, for longer quote see also Lord's prayer

What I have just repeated to you is not simply an invented prayer, but it was thus that Christ taught those to pray who were able to understand Him after He had passed through the Mystery of Golgotha, during that time when He still lingered among His most intimate disciples.
..

These things were learnt by the intimate disciples of Jesus Christ during the time I have indicated. They were well aware how all things I have mentioned were brought about, and were instructed in all these matters during the time that Christ held intercourse with them after the Mystery of Golgotha.

1923-05-17-GAXXX

When the Disciples and Apostles spoke in this way their relationship to the death of Christ was the right one. They were, therefore, able to continue to be His pupils after He had passed through death on earth.
Through Spiritual Science we know that when Christ had forsaken the body of Jesus of Nazareth He walked among His pupils spiritually and continued their instruction.

The power that came to the Disciples and Apostles when the Christ appeared to them in His spiritual body in order to teach them was gradually lost to them.

Notes about Master Jesus (Zarathustra-I after the Baptism)

1911-01-21-GA264 or 1911-01-23-GA264

What happened the Zarathustra-I after he left the physical body at the Baptism? The following quote can be found in 1911-01-21or23-GA264:

He himself took up incarnation very soon after leaving the three sheaths of the Nathan Jesus.

His I united with the etheric body of the Solomon Jesus, which, at the latter's death, has been taken up into the spiritual world by the mother of the Nathan Jesus.

See Schema FMC00.043 on The two Jesus children

Discussion

On the 1904-06-10-GA093 quote on Jesus and Christ-Jesus

Related pages

References and further reading

Friedrich Benesch: Das Ereignis der Himmelfahrt Christi (1974)

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-In the very earliest stages of the evolution of Earth, when the Earth was in an etheric condition (CoL=4 and CoF=2, re [[Earth rounds perspective]]), it would have appeared clairvoyantly as a cloud or fine mist consisting of ether points. These individual ether points are referenced as the primal occult atom of the Earth (CoL or round, see [[Occult atom]]), and each consisted of the archetype of the present human form, like the plant seed contains the archetype of the physical plant). In other words: each etheric seed point contained the spirit world archetype of what was to develop on Earth as Man.
+Central in the study of the Christ is a focus on the Mystery of Golgotha and the Resurrection, placed in context of the gospels. Here we look at lesser-studied aspects of:
-Ancient cultures and religions, from ancient clairvoyant wisdom, point to this earlier stage of evolution of the earth when the human being was the entire Earth, or when the Earth was like a huge human being. In asia this being was spoken of as Adam Kadmon, germanic legends called the giant Ymir.
+*Ascension,
+*[[Pentecost]] and the entry into the sphere of the Earth
+*Christ becoming the spirit of the Earth
+*after his death and resurrection, Christ-Jesus stayed on the earth and thought his apostles (see lecture references below)
-In later stages of human consciousness, people could no longer understand this and the Old Testament was misunderstood and incorrectly translated, which led to the individual Adam instead of Adam Kadmon as the entire Earth.
+==Illustrations==
+'''Schema FMC00.083''' presents the earthly phases of the Christ being mapping with the life of a human being:
+[[File:FMC00.083.jpg|center|frameless|1100x1100px]]
-==Illustrations==
-'''FMC00.217''' is an illustration of Adam Kadmon in the early Lemurian epoch[[File:FMC00.217.jpg|center|frameless|428x428px|link=https://anthroposophy.eu/File:FMC00.217.jpg]]
 ==Lecture coverage and references==
--09-03-GA106 - see [[Earth rounds perspective]] for a frame of reference of what is described below<blockquote>
+===The resurrected Christ-Jesus after MoG===
-====== [Fine etheric mist cloud consisting of single ether points] ======
-.. If we look far back into the evolution of the Earth, we can say that our earth has not always appeared as it does today. It did not have the firm mineral base of today; the mineral kingdom was not as it is today; the Earth did not bear the same plants and animals, and men were not in such a fleshly body as they have today; men had no bony system. All that was formed later. The farther we look back, the nearer we come to a condition which, if we could have observed it from cosmic distances, we would have seen as a mist, as a fine etheric cloud. This mist was much larger than our present Earth, for it extended as far as the outermost planets of our solar system and even farther. It included a far-reaching nebular mass, wherein was contained all that went into the formation of the earth, and also of the planets and even of the sun.
-If we could have examined this mass of mist closely, if an observer could have approached it, it would have seemed to be composed entirely of fine etheric points. When we see a swarm of gnats from a distance, it looks to us like a single cloud; close-up, however, we see the single insects.
+====== G.R.S. Mead 'Pistis Sophia, A Gnostic Gospel' (1896) ======
+On the first sentence, the note to the lecture says Rudolf Steiner assumed his audience was familiar with the work of theosophist G.R.S. Mead 'Pistis Sophia, A Gnostic Gospel' (1896), which begins with the words: <blockquote>It came to pass, '''when Jesus had risen from the dead, that he passed eleven years speaking with his disciples''' ...</blockquote>For more info on Pistis Sophia, see the discussion area of [[Sources of spiritual science|Sources of Spiritual Science]]
-Thus, in the most remote past, the mass of our earth would have appeared, although then it was not material in our sense but was condensed only to an etheric condition. This earth-formation consisted of single ether-points, but something special was connected with these ether-points.
+====== [https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA093/English/RSP1985/19040610p01.html 1904-06-10-GA093] ======
-Had the human eye been able to see these points, it would not have seen what the clairvoyant would have seen or what he actually sees now when he looks back.
+First the remarkable explicit quote (longer extract on the topic page of [[Rakshasas]].) <blockquote>'''You know that Jesus Christ remained on the earth for ten years after His death'''. The Pistis Sophia contains the profoundest theosophical teachings, it is much more profound than Sinnett's Esoteric Buddhism.
-[Comparison: clairvoyant view of the spiritual light-form in a seed of a wild rose]
+'''Jesus incarnated again and again.''' His task was to renew the mystery wisdom. This is no mere fact of cultural or historical interest, but it is the fact I have described to you, which is well known to all occultists, namely, the struggle against the Rakshasas. You see there is a deep and important occult secret lying hidden therein.</blockquote>
-...
+====== 1904-11-01-GA090A ======
+(p394 in first DE edition)
-If now, as in the previous example, the clairvoyant contemplated such an etheric point in the primeval substance, there would arise for him from the point (as from the seed in the previous example) a light-form, a beautiful form, which in reality is not there but rests slumbering in the point.
+states that Christ-Jesus still taught after the resurrection, teachings that are included in the Book of Revelation
-'''''What is this form that the seer perceives, looking back at the primal earth atom? What is it that arises?'''''
+====== 1916-01-02-GA165 ======
+contains the prayer given by Christ to his apostles after his death and resurrection, for longer quote see also [[Lord's Prayer|Lord's prayer]]<blockquote>What I have just repeated to you is not simply an invented prayer, but '''it was thus that Christ taught those to pray who were able to understand Him after He had passed through the Mystery of Golgotha,''' '''during that time when He still lingered among His most intimate disciples.'''
-'''It is a form that is different from physical man, as different as is the archetype from the physical plant. It is the archetype of the present human form.''' At that time the human form slumbered spiritually in the etheric point, and the whole earth-evolution was necessary in order that what rested there might develop into present-day man. </blockquote>
+..
--09-30-GA347 is called 'Adam Kadmon in Lemuria'<blockquote>[Synopsis]
+'''These things were learnt by the intimate disciples of Jesus Christ during the time I have indicated. They were well aware how all things I have mentioned were brought about, and were instructed in all these matters during the time that Christ held intercourse with them after the Mystery of Golgotha.'''</blockquote>
-The Earth once was like a huge human head. The Earth received nourishment from the cosmos in the past and from the sun now. The head of the human embryo as picture of the Earth. The human being was at one time the whole earth. Why people are so small. We are all descended from one ancestor. Misinterpretations of the Old Testament
+====== [https://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/EastPent/19230517p02.html 1923-05-17-GAXXX] ======
+<blockquote>When the Disciples and Apostles spoke in this way their relationship to the death of Christ was the right one. They were, therefore, able to continue to be His pupils '''after He had passed through death on earth.'''
+Through Spiritual Science we know that '''when Christ had forsaken the body of Jesus of Nazareth He walked among His pupils spiritually and continued their instruction.'''
-..
+'''The power that came to the Disciples and Apostles when the Christ appeared to them in His spiritual body in order to teach them was gradually lost to them.''' </blockquote>
-[Tradition of Adam Kadmon and Giant Ymir]
+=== Notes about Master Jesus (Zarathustra-I after the Baptism) ===
-It is interesting to note that, even though the Old Testament had been misunderstood and misinterpreted for a long time, not only Asian scholars spoke of '''Adam Kadmon''' as the human being who was the entire earth, but even the ancestors of modern Central European peoples, such as the Swiss, the Germans, and so forth had legends according to which the earth once was a huge human being, the '''Giant Ymir'''. They also believed that the earth was fertilized.
+====== 1911-01-21-GA264 or 1911-01-23-GA264 ======
-They spoke of the Earth as we would of a human being. This manner of speaking was no longer understood in later times because these correct mythical images were later replaced by the incorrect Latin interpretation of the Old Testament. The old Germanic tribes in Europe thought in pictures that came to them like dreams but were far closer to the truth. Those people drew from an ancient science that revealed knowledge through dreamlike images. Later on people misunderstood the Old Testament and spoke of the small individual Adam instead of Adam Kadmon, the entire Earth.
+What happened the Zarathustra-I after he left the physical body at the Baptism? The following quote can be found in 1911-01-21or23-GA264:<blockquote>'''He himself took up incarnation very soon after leaving the three sheaths of the Nathan Jesus'''.
-Thus we can gain great respect for the ancient, imaginative, albeit dreamlike knowledge. At one time, such knowledge existed, but it was then wiped out. This should not surprise us, for this extinction occurred at a certain time. '''In Asia Minor, in the Near East, in North Africa, southern Europe, Greece and Italy in the first, second, and third centuries, you could come upon strange statues in the fields everywhere.''' They were the means by which the illiterate people of those times expressed their beliefs about the past of the Earth. '''In these statues they expressed that the Earth was once a living being.'''
-Later other people became very angry and, in just a short time, they simply '''destroyed''' these statues, which could have taught us a great deal. The monuments that survived are the least important ones, for in the first few centuries of our era people knew very well which statues were important and had them destroyed. Nonetheless, humanity at one time had a wonderful knowledge of these things, dreamlike though it was.
+His I united with the etheric body of the Solomon Jesus, which, at the latter's death, has been taken up into the spiritual world by the mother of the Nathan Jesus.</blockquote>See Schema FMC00.043 on [[The two Jesus children]]
-It is also extremely interesting that instead of thinking as we do today people then were actually dreaming, though they did more of it at night than during the day. Everything we learn of this ancient human wisdom is permeated with the realization that these people observed a lot during the night; for instance, shepherds in the fields observed much during the night.
-The ancient Germanic tribes, and others as well, possessed this wisdom of the Earth as a giant human being, who existed for quite some time. The human being did not become small all at once but only gradually, until he became what he is now. </blockquote>
 ==Discussion==
-In the description above, CoL=4 and CoF=2 are referenced (re [[Earth rounds perspective]]), to link to the formed spirit world, though one could also consider the unformed spirit world (CoF=1).
-See also Schema FMC00.141 on [[Overview Golden Chain]], on the left, for an illustration of this rippling through from archetypes down to the physical, which happens through the evolutionary CoF.
+=====On the 1904-06-10-GA093 quote on Jesus and Christ-Jesus=====
 ==Related pages==
-* [[Ancient history of myths and legends]]
+*[[Christ Module 8 - Resurrection]]
-* [[Evolution]]
+*[[Christ Module 2 - Nature of the Christ being]]
-* [[Occult atom]]
+*[[Pentecost]]
 ==References and further reading==
+* Friedrich Benesch: Das Ereignis der Himmelfahrt Christi (1974)